Hop Bets On Craps Table
I decided to ONLY bet the Hop bet 7's every roll and no place bets second day session and quickly got back my 300 plus quite a bit more Every roll I did or other players always nailed a 7 within 1-3 rolls after CO. I or other players had numerous rolls of 3-4 7's and I had a 5 stringer 2 times). I always bet 15 or more on the the 3 way hop 7's. A bet on or roll of 12, also see boxcars hop A single roll bet for a specific combination of dice to come out. Pays 15:1 for easy ways and 30:1 for hard ways horn A divided bet on the 2, 3, 11, 12 horn high A horn bet with addition units going to a specific number. Some craps tables have areas marked specifically for hop bets, while some tables do not. How to hop a number To hop a number, simply toss out your bet to either the dealer or the stick person and say what combination you want to hop. A local gentleman recently donated a 12' casino-quality craps table to our school to use during our fundraising events. The table as well as the layout are virtually brand new condition. The layout contains all the 'hop bets'. Our other 14' table does not have hop bets.
My basic play at the craps table is to play table minimum with 3/4/3 odds. At a $5 table, I'll lay DP odds of $18 on the 6 & 8, $30 (max odds) on 4/5/9/10. It's not a spectacularly busy play - I can sometimes sit there for more than a few rolls while a point resolves itself - but it works for me. Like any other plan for the craps table, it's a proven loser. I still have a good time and win a bit once in a while.
I'm considering combining the two as a sort of doey/don't strategy - bet a minimum bet on the hop-sevens but only on the come-out roll.
I've never placed a hop bet in my life. At a $5 table, can you place a $1 hop bet with a $5 pass/don't bet, or does each hop bet need to be $5?
Edit: I suppose I've played at tables where the minimum was actually lower than $1, e.g. the quarters table at Binions, but no, the line bet limit is not the same as the hop bet limit.I haven't been able to find any Craps software that has all of the hop bets available.
Any suggestions there?
I'll work on my own Excel simulator some more and play with $1 bets on the hop-sevens.
Every table I've ever played (granted, up to only $25 minimums) the hop bets were $1. I'd assume there's a point where that changes, but I don't play many hop bets and I don't play bigger tables. For any dice dealers: what's the hop minimum on a $100 or $500 table?
Edit: I suppose I've played at tables where the minimum was actually lower than $1, e.g. the quarters table at Binions, but no, the line bet limit is not the same as the hop bet limit.
Yeah, I've had the same experiences. While at a $25 table once, I think I actually asked a dealer if at the $100 minimum table, the minimum on the center bets went up to $5. I believe he said no, even at the $100 min. table, you could book any inside prop bet (including hops) for just $1.
So if that recollection and dealer are both correct, it might go up at a $500 or $1000 table, but not a $100.
On a craps table, all the stuff in the middle (which I have on more than one occasion heard a stickman refer to as 'The junk in the middle') can be considered side bets.
Yeah, you can make Hop bets (and everything else in the middle) for less than the table minimum.
Note: As I've mentioned more than once, (and have been quotes as saying): Whenever a casino allows you to make a bet for less than the table minimum, ask yourself 'Why?'Generally, table games with high house edge side bets allow the side bets to be placed at a price lower than the table minimum.
On a craps table, all the stuff in the middle (which I have on more than one occasion heard a stickman refer to as 'The junk in the middle') can be considered side bets.
Yeah, you can make Hop bets (and everything else in the middle) for less than the table minimum.
Note: As I've mentioned more than once, (and have been quotes as saying): Whenever a casino allows you to make a bet for less than the table minimum, ask yourself 'Why?'
Oh, there's no doubt it's a bad bet on its own. As a hedge vs. a DP wager, though...
On a $5 table:On the come out roll, bet $5 DP + $3 on the hop-sevens (maybe throw a fourth $1 at the hop 11?).
Point established? Lost $3 (maybe 4), make odds wager (even money bet).
Hop Bets On Craps Table Set
7(11) rolled? Win $15 + original bet for a gain of $7 $6 if you played the eleven, too).2 or 3 win you $1 or $2(lose hops, win on the DP), 12 pushes on the DP so you'd lose $3-4 on the hops.
I think I'll have to simulate this in Excel, as WinCraps does not seem to support hops bets.
Hop Bets On Craps Table Top
That is no longer the practice. Even at $25 tables $1 bets are okay for middle of the table and hop bets.
For $25 tables, each prop bet follows the same rules as above, but must be a $5 minimum. I haven't played higher denominations, but I would guess at a $100 minimum the prop would go up to $25.
As AlanMendelson pointed out, Caesar's is apparently allowing $1 props on $25 tables, so I guess YMMV. I know Vegas properties are for the most part a lot more relaxed on a lot of rules than where I generally play. For example, most places I've played will not allow a $10 place 6/8, while Vegas just doesn't seem to care.
Also, in reference to Genious's proposition, depending on the distribution of the rest of the rolls in his supposed 5:1 sevens ratio, it would probably be best to stick with lay bets (whichever one would give the best HE after factoring in the new distributions) as they would have much less volatility than hopping the 7s and also have a much lower HE to have to overcome.
Oh, there's no doubt it's a bad bet on its own. As a hedge vs. a DP wager, though...
Hedge?I'll just refer you to the Wizard's 'The Ten Commandments of Gambling'
Thou shalt not hedge thy bets.
Hedge bets usually carry a high house edge. For example, never take insurance in blackjack and never bet the any craps or any seven in craps. Exceptions can be made for insuring life changing amounts of money.
My experience has been that at $5, $10, or $15 tables, they will allow $1 prop bets, as long as you have a table minimum non-prop bet elsewhere. If you have no non-prop bets, then either you may not make a prop bet at all, or the prop bet must be table minimum.
Good point.
Of course, they'll often let you get away with it with the expectation that you'll be betting after a point is established, etc.
Also, another notable exception, they'll always let you put $1 on the FireBet, with no other bet. But that too is with the expectation that you'll start betting after a point is established.
Also, another notable exception, they'll always let you put $1 on the FireBet, with no other bet. But that too is with the expectation that you'll start betting after a point is established.
Just over a week ago, I was in Tunica, MS. Dealers at the Harrah's there (and maybe some of the other casinos I visited) would not allow Fire bets to be placed at all unless the player had a line bet down at the same time. Of course, once the fire bet is in play, I don't suppose they could require you to keep betting on future come out rolls.
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Hop Bets are placed on a specific dice combination when the shooter rolls a point. In this way, hops bets are similar to a hardway bet, because a specific combination is required to win the bet. Hop betting is different than hardway betting, because the two numbers don’t have to match.
Hop Bets On Craps Table Rules
Where a Hard 4 would require the dice to come up 2+2, a Hop 4 bet would require the dice to come up 3+1. A Hop 6 bet would need a different notation, because two non-hardway combinations exist: a 4+2 or 5+1 combination. Thus, you could make a Hop 4+2 or a Hop 5+1 bet.
Hop Bets On Craps Table Odds
The potential house edge on a “Hard” Hop Bet has a tremendous range, which includes 5.56% for 33:1 payouts, 8.33% for 32:1 payouts, 11.11% for 31:1 payouts, 13.89% for 30:1 payouts, and 16.67% for 29:1 payouts.